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#12954 - 10/23/10 08:11 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: Anonymous]
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My point was to let the parents know the truth about these teams, their selling point is we will get your son scholarships if they play on our team. Most of the the kids on these lists are lucky, if they get 25% scholarship. They should be more honest about what they tell these parents and stop giving them false illusions. I should know, I coached on one those teams, and you have no idea how many parents get crazy after their son does not play college ball after hearing for 4 years how they will get their son a scholarship.It is all about money with these teams, why do you think they keep 22 kids on a team?


Just a few corrections for you.

1. The boys on the list (D1) aren't lucky if they get 25%, its a requirement. The only way a school can get a kid to sign a national letter of intent is to offer money. 25% is the minimum. They are "lucky" if they get 50%. D2 and D3 are different. D2 can offer less money and get a kid to sign. D3 doesn't offer athletic money, only academic. Instead of signing an NLI they are issued a "likely" letter, indicating that they will be offered admission. All different divisions, with different requirements, ALL with solid baseball.

2. Most teams don't try to promise scholarships to parents and kids. The teams/coaches only promise to put the kid in front of the right audience. A coach cannot control what happens after that point. It would be foolish for a parent or child to think otherwise. After putting the kid on the dancefloor, it is up to the kid (and parents) to determine the outcome. The kid has to perform and show projection. The parents have to stay the hell out of the way and let the coaches get to know their kid.

3. 22 kids, or even 26 on a team shouldn't matter because of the makeup of most good travel teams. Out of that 22, 10 or 12 are probably pitchers ONLY. They don't figure into the playing time of the position players. The travel teams will throw 3 or 4 pitchers in a game, to get looks. College and pro coaches who are watching games know what they are doing. All they need is 1 or 2 innings to see if a kid can pitch for them. Think of yourself looking at a little league game. It takes about 10 pitches to see if a kid is a horrorshow or if he is good. It doesn't take an entire game. To really make a decision takes more time, but the process starts with the initial look.

Now, in fairness to you, since you are a former travel coach, parents and players sometimes have unrealistic expectations. They also hear JUST what they want to hear. You tell a parent "I can put your kid on the field in front of coaches who can offer a scholarship IF HE SHOWS ABILITY". All they heard was scholarship.

I understand your point. It is well taken. Initially it seemed like you were degrading the accomplishments of these young men.

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#12955 - 10/23/10 08:20 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: LI Bandits]
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Being selected to play college baseball at any level is an incredible accomplishment. These boys, their parents and coaches should be extremely proud of their efforts.

Congrats to all of the players moving on to play college baseball!!


Thank you for your reply.

Please list any commitments from 2011 players or 2012 commitments if any guys were lucky enough to get an early offer. Its getting earlier and earlier these days.
I will add the 2011's to the current list and add your 2012 guys to a new list, once I get enough. I only have two committed 2012 guys from our area so far.


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#12956 - 10/23/10 08:24 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: Anonymous]
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Hope people do not think a commitment is a full scholarship to these schools.


no but even if its only 25 percent its more than your son got and these boys are ON the team!


??? Why did you get the guy's son involved. The post didn't sound that personal.

Relax a little bit.

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#12964 - 10/23/10 11:38 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: admin]
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I would never knock any kids dream of playing college baseball, I just want parents to know for every kid that makes a college team, there is alot more that do not. I saw for it for 4 years and I personally did not like the promises that I heard. By the way I am only 27 and do not have any kids, so that last comment made no sense.The 22 kids is still about the $.

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#13001 - 10/25/10 05:29 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: admin]
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#13016 - 10/25/10 10:16 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: anonymus]
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List your team's college commitments here, not your link!

There is a separate thread for tryouts.

Use the format Name, HS, Position, College. I will have the information added to the master list.

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#13094 - 10/27/10 01:42 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: LI Bandits]
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Their are a large number of very talented players who cannot, for one reason or another (mostly money)do not have the ability to play on some of the more popular "super" travel teams where the coaches have relationships with coaches, and market the players.
That does not mean that these players will not play college ball;it means that they have to work harder and getting noticed and marketing themselves.
Recruting has changed drastically due to travel teams. Unlike in the past where the high school team coach was the main source of information.
In my eyes to even be considered for college ball, may it be DI, II or III is something that be looked upon as being an accomplishmenent. Many people have assisted with that having acheived that goal. The parents, the highschool coaches, travel coaches, and most importanly the player.
Please do not insult those that are able to accomplish their goals.

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#13100 - 10/27/10 02:41 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: Anonymous]
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Their are a large number of very talented players who cannot, for one reason or another (mostly money)do not have the ability to play on some of the more popular "super" travel teams where the coaches have relationships with coaches, and market the players.
That does not mean that these players will not play college ball;it means that they have to work harder and getting noticed and marketing themselves.
Recruting has changed drastically due to travel teams. Unlike in the past where the high school team coach was the main source of information.
In my eyes to even be considered for college ball, may it be DI, II or III is something that be looked upon as being an accomplishmenent. Many people have assisted with that having acheived that goal. The parents, the highschool coaches, travel coaches, and most importanly the player.
Please do not insult those that are able to accomplish their goals.


I hope you're not referring to me regarding insulting someone. This thread is for committed players to have their names listed, thats all. Listing a website for an organization can be done on the tryout section.

If someone gets on here to tout his team or players there will be more than enough people to shout at him.

This is just a listing of players who committed to a college. Nothing more, nothing less.

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#13115 - 10/27/10 08:33 PM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: admin]
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What I was referring to was the poster who was questioning how/why teams promise, or how it may be perceived that players are promised scholorships. What I was saying that playing on a team with a big following may afford players more exposure.
Not everyone can do that, or wants to do that.
However, many very talented athletes are wrongfully overlooked because they are not on that type of a team.

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#13130 - 10/28/10 02:34 AM Re: 2011 Commitments [Re: Anonymous]
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What I was referring to was the poster who was questioning how/why teams promise, or how it may be perceived that players are promised scholorships. What I was saying that playing on a team with a big following may afford players more exposure.
Not everyone can do that, or wants to do that.
However, many very talented athletes are wrongfully overlooked because they are not on that type of a team.


100 percent correct (overlooked athletes)

However, many of the coaches of these organizations take in players with exceptional talent whose parents cannot afford the fees involved. All teams make exceptions.
If a kid has enough talent, he will be asked to play, for FREE.

It HELPS a team to have certain types of players. If a guy is exceptional, his teammates will be seen JUST because the scouts/coaches will be there to see the exceptional guy (who is playing for free).

This may enrage some of the paying parents, but whatever it takes to get their kid seen should be the goal, not who paid what.

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