Can someone explain how the voting process is done. I was under impression you could recieve one vote per game but I notice some kids already have 3 or 4 votes and only played two games???

Both coaches vote for 3 players on the winning team and two players on the losing team, total of ten votes per game.
My son was on a team that our coach didn't vote.
Some coaches vote for their kid no matter what.
Some kids are really good.
Pretty meaningless.

This was taken from the NJBL HOW DO I DO THIS?


HOW TO ENTER SCORES, PITCHES THROWN AND ALL STAR STATS

PLEASE NOTE: THE SCORES CAN BE ENTERED BY EITHER MANAGER
BUT IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE WINNER OF THE FIRST GAME
TO MAKE SURE IT IS DONE. EITHER MANAGER MAY MAKE CORRECTIONS
IF NECESSARY. BOTH MANAGERS SHOULD ENTER ALL STAR VOTES.


* GO TO THE WEB SITE
* CLICK ON ENTER BASEBALL SCORES
* ENTER ID AND PASSWORD
* GO TO BLUE BAR, CLICK ON 'SCORES' THEN CLICK ON 'SCORES'
* CLICK ON GAME NUMBER YOU WANT TO ENTER SCORES FOR
* WHEN THE FIRST WINDOW APPEARS ENTER THE SCORES
* CLICK ENTER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE
* WHEN THE SECOND WINDOW OPENS ENTER THE PITCHES THROWN
FOR BOTH TEAMS AND VOTE FOR TWO ALL STARS ON THE LOSING TEAM,
THREE ALL STARS ON THE WINNING TEAM.
* CLICK ENTER AND YOU'RE DONE

Don't even bother....I now realize NJBL Voting is completely bogus. Those kids with 3-4 votes must be the coach's son..guarantee you.

Both coaches need to vote for the opposing teams player...I think they can get a vote for each game so if they play a doubleheader they can get a vote from each coach....

in the NJBL, the winnning team picks 3 "all stars" for his team and then 2 all star votes for the losing team.

The losing team then gets 3 votes for the winning team and then 2 votes for te losing team.

IT IS MEANINGLESS, as my team is the perfect example. My son was injured all spring, yet he recieved 8 votes.. LOL

Most managers vote for the coaches kid all the time.

NJBL should do away with these votes as it just causes angst

i think both coaches vote so one player can get two each game

I managed a team in NJBL in 2009, and 2010. The All-star voting system is simple. Each manager gets to vote for three players on the winning team and two from the losing team for each game played. Therefore a player can receive two votes for a particular game if his mgr. and the opposing mgr votes for him. My opinion is that you should only be able to vote for the opposing team. Too many coaches vote for their own sons - this would be eliminated if you couldn't vote for your own team.

It pretty much it starts out like this. Regardless of the managers son's performance, they automatically vote for their son. Then both managers vote for the opposing son's. Next vote goes to the coaches or best friends son's on the team. The only time a player who deserves a vote will not receive one until the parent complains or threatens to leave the team. I know a team that gave a vote to a kid who wasn't even in the game or in uniform.

I hope this sheds some light on your question.

I disagree my son is neither the coaches son or best friends with the coaches son yet he is has the most all star votes on his team.

Thanks to all for info.,I guess a summary would be either the kid is real good or a coaches son.

someone else is working the coach

...yeah and your son will go pro next week Brian. LOL

As a former manager, I always tried to be fair, although I might once in a while to swing a close vote towards a kid on my team who hadn't gotten a vote. I also tried to vote for the best players on the other team, although I usually could only work off of the scorecard with hitting and pitching, so couldn't tell who on the other team may have played a great shortstop or made a diving play in the OF or gunned down runners from behind the plate. I can't speak for other managers, but I don't doubt that some (many) others swing their team's votes towards the coaches' kids and best friends. I can tell you from experience many of the opposing managers either won't put in all-star votes for your team at all, or vote randomly (I've seen many votes for kids who didn't play or did nothing in the games to warrant a vote). I even mentioned it one time to a manager that he voted for a kid who wasn't there, and he didn't bother to change the votes. You have to remember the less votes for opposing teams' players, the higher your teams players are on the all-star rankings. Bottom line -- you can't take the vote results seriously. Unless NJBL decides to publish game box scores, or require a consensus of all-stars at game's end (maybe with umpire input), the votes are subject to favoritism or lack of effort by the managers.

Heres a suggestion the opposing coach votes for the other teams players three for the winner two for the loser so theres no controversy

Unfortunately your not the norm. and I dont think any other leagues have all star voting? as far as umpires voting-they have enough to worry about w/game, and the majority of games they call are descent, but I've been at a few where you wonder if "little johnny's" uncle from the visiting team is the umpire---

Your so is probably a pitcher, they get all the votes weather they are good or bad.

What will happen is some coaches won't vote or they will vote for players who may not be there or were hardly in the game, cause as you can see by the posts on this site, it takes all kinds. The only thing that might work is independant voting, like the umpires and ... that ain't gonna happen.

What is the purpose of these votes because they do not mean anything and they cause problems with parents harassing the manager because they felt their son deserved a vote. Create an all-star game so these votes will mean something.

If you create an all-star game you must have a legitmate voting system. It can't be the coaches or managers.

An all star game???The voting will only get more corrupt.

The purpose of the All Star Voting is to allow recognition of as many kids as you like, without the pressure of a small group of All Stars playing in an elite game. When used properly, its a great way to reward / motivate a youngster .

Oh I see! You mean there is great value in continuing to produce over-confident underperformers.

So Brian, no more words of wisdom???

So lets see, cut out coaches sons, asst coaches sons, coaches sons that are not even playing divide by two and we have our winners???

Here you go. For all you guys posting stuff about All-Star Votes. This is the thread for it. Just goes to show you how dumb half the people posting on here really are.

NJBL Allstar Votes are about as legit as a Canal St. Rolex.

YOU MEAN MY WATCH IS FAKE? i JUST THOUGHT HE FORGOT TO ADD 3 ZERO'S. GOTTA GO NOW AND SEE IF HE'S STILL STANDING BY THE DELI! I knew something was fishy when it came in a brown paper bag.

Frank should eliminate all-star voting. This has come up every year and he still doesn't remove it. Hurts the kids, breeding jealous and envy from teamates and parents.
Kids should be taught to win and lose as a team no matter who hits HR or makes errors in the field. That's baseball.....there is no "I" in the word team. It's suppose to be a team sport.
All-star voting produces the opposite results. Kids and parents care more about where there kid stands in the voting then how the team is doing on the field.
My advise is to ban NJBL until Frankie listens.
Plenty of leagues out there there that promote the team atmosphere. NJBL is not one of them!

Agree totally-do away with it.

other coaches vote for other teams and thats it and no more give the coaches son on opposing team a vote just because when hes batting eighth and hitting .150

The All Star voting system was discussed last NJBL meeting, and the managers & coaches, by majority, agreed to keep it . Don't blame Frank if you are not happy w/ the system. There are plenty of managers who are fair with the system, unfortunately there are some who are not, and it shows up in the voting.

Frankie NJBL,
good post above....listen to advice and remove all-star voting, otherwise you will lose your cash cow

let it be, its fun for the kids. it creates harmless competion among teamates.
stop complaining about this.

We had one of our assistant coaches in charge of updating the scores our first year in NJBL as 8 yr olds.

Take a wild guess on what player was the all-star vote leader from our team?

Why didn't you do something about it the moment you saw the asst coach's kid getting votes he didn't deserve? The best system is when all coaches play a role and you can justify your votes from the book .

Go figure, the managers and asst coaches choose to keep, kinda like the foxes guarding the hen house???

We did stop it. Unfortunatly we didnt even know there was voting system until 4 games into the season. We immediatly put an end to that non-sense and made a "team" decision as coaches as to how would get each games vote.

The sad thing here is that people get bothered by all star voting . does anyone really think these votes meen anything. please people who cares just be happy your kid is playing baseball.

The real sign of a weak team is one kid from that team with all the allstar votes. The sign of a great team is everybody with the same amount of votes.I am sure some coaches give votes just to appease the parents that complain whenever the kid misses a vote and thats a sign that maybee its time to replace that player. A true team could care less who gets the votes as long as they are succesfull.

Maybe there should be some checks and balances in the Allstar voting within NJBL by having each opposing coach (red team) pick 5 allstars from his opponent (white team) and have Frank only count the white teams allstar votes if the opposing team (red) has those players listed in the top 5 and the same the other way around. I am sure that others can suggest additional solutions.

I for one do not want to see the NJBL abolish the Allstar voting but would like to see some tweaking. When I coached in NJBL I used the Allstar voting as a scouting mechanism to get a heads up on the good players before we faced a team. Yes, I saw a large amount of coaches and their assistant coaches kids listed but anyone can see through that once you get to the field and see that they do not have good baseball movement.

My rant for today!

I see there is nothing but air up there!
How is it fun for the kids? Try asking your boys after the game to collectively agree on who should get the vote. From your team and the opposing. I bet the results would be a lot different. Everyone says the pitcher always gets one. Why? Does not make any sense. To be even considered for a vote you must have been a top performer that game. Most of the time a kid that never hits gets a blooper and there he goes 10 votes. Teach the kids that you must have been a outstanding performing player and sport in order to receive one. You had a game that should be admired by your peers. That is why you received a allSTAR vote. (I WOULD BELIEVE THE WORD STAR WAS CHOSEN DUE TO A PLAYER SHINNING!) Last time I checked none of us keyboard cowboys were playing in these games! They play, so let them have the privilege to vote for who they feel is worthy. Everyone talks about teaching responsibility, then the irresponsible behavior taking place with the voting system should stop. Funny because i'm not saying this because my son is getting the short end. My boy actually has plenty of votes.(he earned every one of them. Book, coach and peers would agree.) I just feel for the kids that are being overlooked and the ones that are becoming uncoachable because he has 50 votes and believes the Yanks should be calling shortly.

It's 2011 man! Make it where it has to be fair! This is not Florida! If the system can not be updated to 2011 standards, it should be deemed a hazard and condemned.

When something goes wrong, don't throw it out! Fix it! You must have had it for a reason to begin with! It is a very positive thing if handled the correct way! You can only make your team a TEAM! A league is just your stage. Discuss the game after with the kids then turn in the votes. How can you go wrong when the PLAYERS agree.

We first go to hitting (avg. for game) , fielding is next (only good plays) now we go to big hits, base running and key at bats. Great catches and heads up defense is next. Now we subtract for errors, poor hustle on base and in the field, missed signs and so forth. Last but most important is attitude. Did that player have the behavior of a player the team should be applauding for his performance today? If you reward bad behavior what kind of twisted thinking is that? The first thing that must be done is explain to your kids what he must accomplish to be considered an all star before you ask them to accomplish it!

My son played for coach who would give out votes not based on numbers but based on effort on the field . this was the most fair way to give it out. you could be one of the weaker players on the team but if you showed you were trying and never gave the coach any grief you would get a vote. most common things i saw was some of the better players would strike out and even though there team was winning by 12 runs they would be miserable they rarely got any votes. All star votes are like game balls you give them out to kids who showed in the game he gave it his all even if his all was nearly as good as the kid who is the most talented. you people will look back in a few years and realize how stupid you are really acting when you post such negative things about young kids.

obviously njbl is doing something right there are over 400 teams compared to baseball heaven about 50 and pal about 40 are you kidding if you dont like the allstar voting they dont look at it. I dont like newsday so i dont read it cant beleive how many ignorant people out there in the baseball word. Maybee thats why all the college scholarships on long island are given to the lacross players.

what you should do is when you sign your 8u or 9u or 10u major league contract you should let the coach know how many allstar votes your son should get in a season.this way there is no misunderstandings when you dont get enough votes that can use when your ready to leave that team to go another team and play for free because your son had 15 allstar votes. good luck with that.let me know how that works out.

Only reason you NJBL has 400 teams compared to Baseball Heaven's 50 is because of the $2,200 dollar price gap. Not because of an all-star voting system or NJBL doing something right. Get your facts straight.

if the votes don't mean anything, then don't give em out to your son for his first hit in a game, or making a few less errors than last game

Voting for attitude is correct. That player really cares and listens. By that player performing that way he will always progress. The "Best Player" sometimes does not have the attitude about the game to warrant that title. You can not have learned it all already! Remember a lot of times the talented need a little more mental coaching and the less athletic need a little more physical coaching. (not in every case but it is seen a lot)

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[Only reason you NJBL has 400 teams compared to Baseball Heaven's 50 is because of the $2,200 dollar price gap. Not because of an all-star voting system or NJBL doing something right. Get your facts straight.]

I respectfully disagree a bit with the above statement. The price gap may be a compelling reason for some to participate in NJBL, but not the only reason. For me as a former coach, my reasons were:
1. Frank Sullivan ran a well oiled machine
2. Fair registration fees
3. Controlled flexibility
4. No unwelcome suprises

While I am a fan of the All Star Voting but believe it needs to be tweaked, it is not a factor as to why I had my teams participate.

I have coached in several leagues and found that the NJBL worked well for U15 and under. After U15, a large amount of the talent scatered to other leagues.

My rant for today!

well said allday some of the best players require the most coaching and think because they are the mosted athletically talented they dont need to listen to coaches or have a good attitude. thats why people always say that the best players at young ages are never the best when they get older.once they hit jr high the coaches wont tolerate the bad attitudes. a lot of these school teams have 60 to 80 kids trying out and they are all talented so they weed out the problem kids first.

Pal reread your post. For you to call anyone ignorant is the equivalent of a flea with an erection sailing down a river screaming for the drawbridge to be raised to protect the family jewels.

Thanks. I'm not used to saying that. Your above post is accurate. Hats off to another opened minded person. Truth is the Truth! Oh wait gotta go, someone just made a stupid comment! The BEAST will save you all from these posts!

I'll take this one! If your kid is involved and you don't like it, don't look at it? WOW! I don't like your face but you continue to just prance around in public showing it! If it isn't right, FIX IT! Why would you mention an erection around base BALLS? Now you can stand in the corner until the BEAST says you can come out! WARNING if your response is not in favor of kids being taught the proper way, I will let the BEAST off his chain! ALLDAY!

Make it simple than< call it sportsmanship votes. All stars are All Stars. Bad sportsmnship should not be rewarded< but because a kid is a good sport by no means make him an all star either> Let him join the cub scouts, i hear they give out awards there too> Due away with the whole system

Game balls are for T-ball are lower level in-house teams.

Please tell me the school that has 60 to 80 "talented" players try out>

was the E you added to maybe, supposed to be after the s in lacrosse. We may be ignorant, you sound plain stupid.

the coaches son gets all the votes , bats 3rd and plays short stop , thats just the way it is, I would rather give someone 2000.00 bucks to see a fair team /game

I agree with the sportsmanship votes. If your kid is a good sport he should get one. Don't give him an allstar vote just because he is the best behaved kid, but can't catch a ball or hit. That's not fair to the kids with talent.

Can't catch a ball but well behaved = Sportsmanallday

Talent = Allstarallday.

Sounds like heisabeastallday's kid is well behaved, but his game isn't deserving of any votes. So that's why heisabeastallday believes so strongly that attitude is so important. You should work alittle more on his game, obviously his has the attitude and behavior already covered.

It's obvious you can't read. My kid has plenty of votes. He earned them for outstanding play and the best attitude. You should not be mad my kid has the whole package, look at his dad. All your bloodline produces is food for the BEAST! Now go roll around in that salt and pepper so I can Have my din din.

Funny how you all admit your kid has talent but is a brat! Wonder where he gets that from. Only when your kid has both can you run around with a name like HEISABEASTALLDAY! Guess that's why you girls remain anonymous! Sorry such a delay in posts! (were just a little busy with PLAYOFFS!

Never said he should get a vote for sportsmanship only. However good sportsmanship should have you gain points in the decision. Bad sportsmanship should eliminate you from the vote completely.

O.K you can come out of the corner now. Behave yourself and think before typing. (I didn't forget you were in the corner)

Get him eight! What will they do with BEAST and eight eating up silly comments? We will clear the land of these silly anonymous posts!

To say the best younger players are NEVER the best older players is silly and certainly not from any coach with many seasons under his belt. Sounds like he's trying to justify something else ?

I agree. Never might not have been the right choice of word. However the message is positive though.

what njbl does right is 650 cost instead of 2500. thats why they have 400 t eams. They really dont do anything other than formulate divsions. After that its town fields, teams arrange schedules themselves after an initial recommendation. they do no field maintenance. Teams dont show up, say they cant play, come and go as they please. that would never happen in a real league. A schedule is a schedule. Frank is my idol. Makes tons of cash and and basically says figure it out yourself fellas. thats why all star voting is a problem, bad umps are a problem, filed consitions are also. They have nothing to do with anything. they are paid to make divisons and assign bad umps. can not compare bbh and njbl

Its the coaches call, but coaches should know giving all star votes to kids that probably would not be on the team if their DAD wasn't a coach takes away from the intent of the system . Take a look at the votes, circle the coaches kids, and I guarantee you there are several who should not even be playing travel baseball, let alone getting votes .

I agree , at 8U & 9U you can hide that kid that just isn't cutting the mustard, but when 10U comes he will cost you games.
If its a Coaches son it will cost you current players and future recruits. If you have a kid who has played several travel seasons and still can't hit , he is on the wrong team playing in the wrong level. Giving him All Star votes is not going to break him out of his on going slump ! A good Coach will make those changes, even if its his son , to improve his team.

That sounds like almost every team. If your kids interests are not your top priority it will show! You might think you are doing him a favor but you are just making HIM AND YOU look silly!

You are right! Keep letting your kid play on that "PERFECT" turf and telling him he's great. As soon as he steps foot on a real field, he will cease to exist. If Bill Buckner played THAT SAME GAME at BBH They would not have lost. When your kid gets to school ball they will face the realization! Dad! You mean to tell me all grounders don't just roll right at ya! What do you mean play the hop? Wait! This IS BASEBALL? What have I been playing then? Well? What has he been playing? BBH is ok for tournament ball. Season? Play it on the real fields like it was meant to be! If you want it EASY, get the button!

First he's a prime infielder till he shows he can't field and throw. Then he goes to the outfield where balls sail by him and the throws are even worse . Then he goes behind the plate, still can't catch, still can't reach second . Stolen bases mount. Its insanity, doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result . If your kids not cutting it , be the first to admit it, not the last to accept it. Thats why NJBL has so many levels of competition , to accomodate the kids you wish were American, but everyone knows belongs in Regional or Sectional

I don't think that's all of it. They also have these divisions so parents don't have to deal with coaches that think they are coaching MLB. Competitive doesn't mean NO-FUN. I know for a fact my kid has the ability to play American, however I have yet to see a team up there where the kids smile! This is not boot-camp it's baseball. To subject your 9u kid to that just to be in a higher division is INSANITY! ONE THING I KNOW IS THAT WHEREVER MY SON GOES THE WINNING CONTINUES. THE FUN NEVER STOPS! As those teams from the lower divisions improve and move up and there is no where for the TOP teams to go, what happens? Eventually they are right there with you. Advantage us! You guys have no idea how to play a team that is having fun. It's just not something you guys have ever had practice doing!

You must not be looking hard enough, or you must not be around alot of American division games. I see alot of smiles where my kid plays, and alot of fun. Alot of coaches go too far with their boot camp mentality, but it's not just in the American division, you can find coaches like that in any division. To subject your 9u kid to that in a lower division is even more INSANE. These divisions weren't made so that parents don't have to deal with coaches with MLB mentalities. These divisions are there so kids with less ability have a place to play and be able to compete. Just imagine if there were no lower divisions, your son's smiles would turn up side down and it wouldn't be fun anymore. And just an F.Y.I., as your lower division team improves, what do you think the higher division team is doing? I guess you think they're just taking a break. Don't you think they will improve also? Eventually your lower team will NEVER be right there with them. So where's the advantage? And I don't know who you are directing your statement to when you say "you guys", but I can tell you my kids teams have fun all the time. And if they ever played your team, I don't think it would be your idea of having fun, for your team that is.

I think most would say there are good coaches and bad coaches in every division, some run boot camps, and others run day camp. I don't think that anyone would be surprised the higher the level of competition , the more disciplined the Team usually is. Youth baseball should be fun at any level of play though. The point was that NJBL is not a One Size Fits All League. If your kid doesn't belong in a Top Division you should encourage them to keep playing, but in a level closer to their talent.

Guess you are the one with no clue. We enjoy competition. We have never been beat and walked away with our heads down. We give credit to the teams that beat us. We don't make excuses. How will these teams improve when everyone thinks they already know it all. We all know that the behavior mentioned above happens way too often in the american division. That my friend is just a well known fact by all who watch. (well at least the ones with their eyes open)You kind of sound like you're taking it personal? That my friend is an indicator that a cord has been struck. Are you feeling guilty about something? I would love to hear more about these happy kids and perfectly coached teams. Where did you say they were all at?

Not let them ride the bench so daddy can say, We are the best!

You don't see it happen in my division. If you think Central is a pushover, recent tournaments don't lie! Just because you are in the american division doesn't mean you play that way. We could move there but too much politics going on! Are you telling me that summer had the BEST teams in it? Not by a long shot dude.

Well said. Very well said !

What lower level does your son play in ?

Lower divisions bashing the higher divisions now. Dude stay in your lane. Obviously your kid doesn't have the talent. If your kid played in the higher division you wouldn't be saying anything

No clue? What behavior is this you speak of? My kids team is in the American division and we didn't do so good in the spring and now we're competing, I call that improvement and when we had a bad spring we didn't have any excuses or behavior issues. So don't blame a whole division for maybe one team that you saw that had behavior issues. those issue can happen in any division. Seems like someone struck your cord and maybe your kid was subject to some boot camp higher divison team. If you don't like what's going on just move to another organization that doesn't do that, the divisions have nothing to do with your issues.

the original topic was if little johnnie is always struggling in the higher leagues , rather than trying to find a place to hide him on the field , find a team in a lower division where we can have fun and maybe contribute. the younger kids don't care where they get there hits, most of the time its the dad who won't see whats best. the pressure of him trying to keep up will hurt him ib the kong run , not to mention his team.

The sad truth is that most of the people on here have no idea what the other divisions they are talking about on here are even like. Most of these parents have no clue to how good or how bad there teams are. For the parents of the younger teams 10u and under it is way to early to tell how good or bad your kids are or there teams. You will know when your kids reach about 12 if they will continue to play or not good enough to compete at a higher level. The best athletes always rise to the top. Those big strong kids at 8 ,9 ,and 10 that hit the ball deep and throw hard but cant move out of there own way will drop off. The kids that are good contact hitters and are very athletic will pass them right by. As the field gets bigger the bigger kids have trouble just getting to first base. Doesnt matter what division they are playing in.

What age are you people talking about on here and what does this topic have to do with njbl allstar voting. I am pretty sure there are 3 or 4 kids on every team in every division that struggle from time to time. If every time some kids struggled and they left your team to go play in a lower division you probably would not have a team. And your team was full of kids that were all great players you would lose the great kids just because they are not going to be able to deal with batting in the bottom of the order or playing the outfield . This is njbl not MLB or varsity baseball. Not sure this guy has a clue about running a baseball team.

i agree sooner or laterdaddy has to realize his son would be better suited in a lower league where he can contribute

Which american team are we talking about we beat every 9u american team out there and the top 4 were all pretty good top to bottom there were some smaller younger kids on conyo and the indians but they seemed to all contribute one way or another.The bottom two should move down to lowest divison at 10u. The conyo team had some kids that did a lot of crying when they did not get on base but they could all hit the ball.

we played team crybabys i mean conyo in fathers day tourneys the older coach spent the whole time yelling at the pitcher after every pitch. Every ball he threw that was not a strike he would stomp his feet and kick the dirt. then the kid had a meltdown when he flyed out and cryed his eyes out like a 4 yr old.

Yes , as they get older their will be fall-out. But if the kid doesn't hit in 5-6 seasons of travel ball, he is in the wrong level of play, period ! You don't carry him under the premise well maybe when he's 12 he'll 'turn into " a monster ball player. While you are waiting for this experiment to hatch, all your good kids will be gone. If you want to play in the higher divisions, there is little room for these weak links and nobody wants to wait to 12-13 to see if your theory holds water. by 10U daddy ball stops or your team dissolves in front of you.

if you follow the thread its about daddy ball n all star voting. No one is talking about the few who struggle once in a while, its the daddy ball kids that don't belong on the team at all. its about Coach Daddy who votes up his son for the silliest of things like first hit in outfield in two years, almost catching a ball, almost making a play,etc.

yeah, this is a healthy contribution to this thread . Anybody guess where this is coming from /

Wow grown men talking about 9 yrs old crying on the ball field...Whos the bigger babies the kids or the men hiding by ANONYMOUS