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#22660 - 08/09/11 07:11 PM
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Chips Ahoy, you seem to be another victim of this big travel organizatons disregard for common decency. This monolithic organization preys on parents and kids dreams. Like you said, "they promise the moon and deliver Canarsie." Before they get the check, they tell you everything you want to hear, like they will get your son in front of this college coach and that college coach. They will tell you that they were able to obtain scholarships for a large number of thier players, which later you find false. Coach Stanga and the Sound are notorious through out the Long Island baseball community for not delivering on thier promises. A friend of mind was complaining about this team a couple of weeks ago. In the spring I advised him to stay away from this organization, but he fell into the trap and wrote a check. He showed me a letter, dated February 2011 that stated that the team will particpate in two leagues and play approximately 50 games durring the summer. Well, that did not happen, they did not even play half of the promised games. The Sound historically was a team based of St.John the Baptist players, but as more and more were burned by Stanga's false promises, they fled elesware. There is no development here, just stick up men dressed as baeball coaches!
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#22692 - 08/10/11 09:02 AM
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Chips Ahoy, you seem to be another victim of this big travel organizatons disregard for common decency. This monolithic organization preys on parents and kids dreams. Like you said, "they promise the moon and deliver Canarsie." Before they get the check, they tell you everything you want to hear, like they will get your son in front of this college coach and that college coach. They will tell you that they were able to obtain scholarships for a large number of thier players, which later you find false. Coach Stanga and the Sound are notorious through out the Long Island baseball community for not delivering on thier promises. A friend of mind was complaining about this team a couple of weeks ago. In the spring I advised him to stay away from this organization, but he fell into the trap and wrote a check. He showed me a letter, dated February 2011 that stated that the team will particpate in two leagues and play approximately 50 games durring the summer. Well, that did not happen, they did not even play half of the promised games. The Sound historically was a team based of St.John the Baptist players, but as more and more were burned by Stanga's false promises, they fled elesware. There is no development here, just stick up men dressed as baeball coaches! "big travel organizaton"? "monolithic organization"? The LI Sound have 4 teams: College (20-6) 18U (12-9) 16U 15-6) 14U (21-0)
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#22737 - 08/11/11 02:22 PM
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Looks like the Sound might be in defensive mode based on a few Anonymous Posts? That's OK but they're not disputing the original post by Chips. Last year in Connie Mack, the Sound was the team to beat; disciplined, well coached, great field presence. So what happened? Did they go from 2 to 4 teams and spread themselves too thin? The original post speaks to quality, quantity and value. Based on last years Connie Mack performance, who wouldn't want to be part of that team? Be they a small organization or a giant monolith, it's hard to mistake quality when a coach and his team take the field and make no mistake, this year they looked like bums! Call it what you like, bait and switch, greed, makes no matter. It sounds like an 18U team and whatever talent they may have had got screwed out of an important season and whatever hopes they may have had to develop.
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#23060 - 08/19/11 03:14 PM
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I have been around travel baseball for a long time this post about the Breakers is bugging me,they are a very good organization that does not pick clueless people to run there teams.When you do a little research you find out that the breakers north team went 13-11-1 not terrible by no means. The original poster is trying to make them out to be a awful team because they are coached by dads etc. They were in a division with a high priced professional coached team that went 1-20, so does it make a difference of a professional team vs a dad coached team? the debate will go on. As another poster stated the breakers west team is coached by a salesman, breakers east a hospital coordinator and an electrician so what is the point that it was coached by a dentist? I feel that the original poster is full of crap, he was all ready proven wrong saying that they were an "impostor" Breaker team when they are listed on the website. When I looked at there roster they had 17 kids on it that is a hard number to deal with probably a big mistake. Another poster suggested they put more kids on the bench just to take there money, that is just a ridiculous statement especially since they are coached by a dentist. If you felt like you were being taken advantage of speak up (not on these forums to you coach). Its a shame a lot of these parents have no idea what it takes to run a team between dealing with the leagues, getting insurance, ordering uniforms, going to meetings, picking up balls, trying out players, making phone calls, the list goes on all for a love for the game. If they think it so easy they should try it!
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#23250 - 08/25/11 05:37 PM
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RE:23237: Pass the Charmin, I'll clear my throat! Now we can also turn on the lights as well. What does introduce mean, is there a business relationship or not? Is it free or is it $60; or built into the price of baseball? At any time have I questioned the notion that better, more accessible and affordable training is a bad idea? I also know a few Sound players who did use the facility (at $60/month) who improved considerably under the guidance of the mentioned individuals (FACT)! And all three Sound teams (18U, 16U, and College) posted winning seasons. What my Anonymous critic does not say is what I've said out loud...don't sell me a gym and call it baseball, call it a gym membership. If it's built into the price, the cost is there, it can't be avoided. Don't sell "quality college experienced coaches led by Bob Stanga" and provide lazy, disinterested clowns who can't be bothered holding a practice. Don't say 24 games of baseball equals 50 games of baseball. Don't say that individual gym workouts will build team chemistry and dynamics, it won't. It's really all about what is not said, that it's a package deal. For some there is value in that, kind of like buying your hotel and airfare from travel agent, NO PROBLEM, but don't tell me I'm paying for the hotel and include the airfare when I'm driving, that's subterfuge. Mother of God, I'm having a battle of wits with an unarmed (and unnamed) person. Pass the ammunition! Chips Ahoy!
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#23315 - 08/27/11 02:50 PM
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Got ya "cookie man", apparently the Sound is not "winning" in your playbook-they carry too many players is my concern for the price, this thread seems to be a little too personal though[never seen names used before w/o getting edited by moderator], we all have done our time $$$ w/ certain organizations and learned our lessons and moved on, by the way chips my new show is going to be called two and a half coaches... Charlie, it's not personal or about one individual, it's about being told a story that's made of whole cloth and responding with "The Torpedo of Truth". You can relate to that! Re: posts 260 and 265, the fee did not include uniforms. The players were instructed to order their uniforms from a web based firm, some items required, some optional. If we can agree that a baseball hat is required, then why does it have an IBF Logo? If you were playing for the Yankees, would you get a Yankee hat or a YES hat? The money's gone, there are no refunds; it's in the past. But Charlie, you really have to show me how to do the Internet streaming thing. I bet I could have fun with that! Chips Ahoy!
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#23953 - 09/21/11 05:19 PM
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I do not have an account here on called strike 3 but it is granting me the opportunity to make a post and leave my thoughts and beliefs with you. My name is Sean Kammerer. I've been reading several threads including the ones on this site and many others. Even the post that was believed to have been posted here saying that I have been boasting about myself and my organization. I do not need to hide who I am nor do I need to boast about myself because it is in the past and I am currently in the future. I am proud of my accomplishment and firmly believe in the phrase "hard work pays off." Well I hope this clears everything up for everyone. I'm here to tell you that yes baseball on Long Island has gone to complete crap. I hate to break it to everyone but its not a secrete either. Many would also agree with me including professional organizations and scouts. These cheap organizations follow the phrase "who cares" and its because they really dont. In the mist of everything no one really does care b/c they keep going back and asking for more b/c there wasn't anything different out there. These people want money and only money, they are business people who are not looking for your dedication but your MONEY. Here are a few facts for everyone to enjoy and to give you a better understanding of what is really going on out there. Its also not a secret that high school baseball has gone from a place where college coaches could confide in the head coach to help recruit ball players and unfortunately it has pulled a complete 180. This is a very simple concept. I want everyone who is reading this post to really take in what I'm about to say. For too long I've been around people in this game, and not everyone, but a lot of them have no business being in the baseball position that they are in. Straight up, I stand before and ask you one simple question, what do you do for a living? Some may do marketing, some may be lawyers some can be teachers, most important of all some of you are parents. How would you feel if I walked into your line of work and said I'm going to do your job better than you, with out training and change the industry for the better. What would you say to that? If most of you have a decent head on your shoulders you would think I'm completely nuts and laugh in my face. Well guess what, what do you think I'm doing when I see parents coaching and coaches who are supposed to be paid coaches not giving a **** and have no business being there. This isn't going to change unless someone makes a change. This isn't a marketing or a selling point. This is the god damn truth. I played catholic school baseball at kellenberg, played at sacred heart university (d1), played 2 season overseas b/c I needed to earn everything I ever got, not hacve it handed to me. Instead if sitting home and doing nothing with my life I went around the world to prove that hard work does pay off. Many of people have told me over the years "it cant be done" I'm hear to tell you that it can be done with HARD WORK, DEDICATION and LOYALTY. Several organizations on long island, even ones i've worked for don't give a crap about your sons nor their futures. College baseball meant a lot to me, and to see players on high school teams that have no business wearing the uniform and will never play college baseball due to the fact that they can pay a fee for summer ball which pays other peoples salaries who have no baseball background in the 1st person at all. Hate to break it to all of you out there, but you needed to play this game to understand everything about the sport. This is not a business plan for me. This is a battle plan and I refuse to cater to the rest of the Long Island travel teams, b/c thats all they are just teams. No one and I mean no one has PROGRAMS that DEVELOP ballplayers (lessons once a week is not developing a ballplayer)any longer except for one........ thats all i have to say.
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#23991 - 09/22/11 01:08 PM
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Homerun Sean-u got guts posting on this blog--good luck w/ team-I'm done on this subject/blog-I think this thread should have died awhile ago and is being onstantly revived for a reason... I do not have an account here on called strike 3 but it is granting me the opportunity to make a post and leave my thoughts and beliefs with you. My name is Sean Kammerer. I've been reading several threads including the ones on this site and many others. Even the post that was believed to have been posted here saying that I have been boasting about myself and my organization. I do not need to hide who I am nor do I need to boast about myself because it is in the past and I am currently in the future. I am proud of my accomplishment and firmly believe in the phrase "hard work pays off." Well I hope this clears everything up for everyone. I'm here to tell you that yes baseball on Long Island has gone to complete crap. I hate to break it to everyone but its not a secrete either. Many would also agree with me including professional organizations and scouts. These cheap organizations follow the phrase "who cares" and its because they really dont. In the mist of everything no one really does care b/c they keep going back and asking for more b/c there wasn't anything different out there. These people want money and only money, they are business people who are not looking for your dedication but your MONEY. Here are a few facts for everyone to enjoy and to give you a better understanding of what is really going on out there. Its also not a secret that high school baseball has gone from a place where college coaches could confide in the head coach to help recruit ball players and unfortunately it has pulled a complete 180. This is a very simple concept. I want everyone who is reading this post to really take in what I'm about to say. For too long I've been around people in this game, and not everyone, but a lot of them have no business being in the baseball position that they are in. Straight up, I stand before and ask you one simple question, what do you do for a living? Some may do marketing, some may be lawyers some can be teachers, most important of all some of you are parents. How would you feel if I walked into your line of work and said I'm going to do your job better than you, with out training and change the industry for the better. What would you say to that? If most of you have a decent head on your shoulders you would think I'm completely nuts and laugh in my face. Well guess what, what do you think I'm doing when I see parents coaching and coaches who are supposed to be paid coaches not giving a **** and have no business being there. This isn't going to change unless someone makes a change. This isn't a marketing or a selling point. This is the god damn truth. I played catholic school baseball at kellenberg, played at sacred heart university (d1), played 2 season overseas b/c I needed to earn everything I ever got, not hacve it handed to me. Instead if sitting home and doing nothing with my life I went around the world to prove that hard work does pay off. Many of people have told me over the years "it cant be done" I'm hear to tell you that it can be done with HARD WORK, DEDICATION and LOYALTY. Several organizations on long island, even ones i've worked for don't give a crap about your sons nor their futures. College baseball meant a lot to me, and to see players on high school teams that have no business wearing the uniform and will never play college baseball due to the fact that they can pay a fee for summer ball which pays other peoples salaries who have no baseball background in the 1st person at all. Hate to break it to all of you out there, but you needed to play this game to understand everything about the sport. This is not a business plan for me. This is a battle plan and I refuse to cater to the rest of the Long Island travel teams, b/c thats all they are just teams. No one and I mean no one has PROGRAMS that DEVELOP ballplayers (lessons once a week is not developing a ballplayer)any longer except for one........ thats all i have to say.
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#24566 - 10/10/11 07:25 PM
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Equipment Coaches gear- Shorts, Sweatpants, Jersey, Sweatshirt, Jacket = $300 Game Baseballs = $36 a doz (24 games) 12 Doz = $450 Practice Balls= $80 Scorecards/Lineup Cards= $20 Xtra Batting Helmets (6) = $180 Case Bases (3)= $300 Case of Beer = $35 $1,365 / 20= $68.25 per player
Ok, now lets add the other costs: Uniforms = paid separately by the parents Umpire Fees = $70 per game X 24 games = $1,800 League Fees = $2,000
Total: Equipment (including case of beer)= $1,365 Umpire Fees = $1,800 League Fees = $2,000
Costs Grand total = $5,165. Total costs for team or $258.25 per player for 20 player roster.
The U18 Sound charged $950 per player X 20 players = $19,000 income from entire team - total costs of $5,165 = $13,535 profit or does a paid coach cost that much?
Not a bad income for one team.
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#24746 - 10/12/11 04:57 PM
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Let me ask you a question you to play the other side, when you buy a car or a washing machine do you care how much money the person selling makes? Same with baseball if a guy says 2k and i will give you this and he does whats the problem.
If the guys doesn't deliver what he says then thats an issue. But if I say xyz and deliver and you say ok and pay what is the issue.
Unless I forgot we live in America and most products sell at what the market will bare. If people didn't want to pay these fees these people would all be out but CGI, Storm, Sound, Whalers, Prospects, Titans, Ducks, Barn Stormers, The Breakers, Renegades, Bandits, Cougars, Wolfs, Frogs and Hippos etc.... all have customers lining up at the tryouts and dropping money.
If you Bob can get 2k so can I and so it goes. What I'm saying Chips and others back off if people don't want to pay they wont plenty of teams out there that don't charge big bucks but you think baseball is only sport like this you have no clue try playing Hockey talk about costs you guys would [***censored***] yourselves there.
Soccer another huge sport with trainers chargeing 100 an hour per kids with a team of 20 kids do that math 2k a seesion!
Girls Softball catching up very quickly to baseball same promises college scholarships.
Wake up people sports is a business at the pro, college and now youth level, pay the price or get left behind you don't see to many teams that charge 375.00 for the seaon winning many leagues and tournaments do you.
Want cheap play local Little League Junior and Senior and Big League programs about 350.00 and have fun.
Stop complaining it is like buying a BMW then coming on here and bitching that is cost to much and holy crap BMW made x amount of bucks off me. Grow up and shut up already.
If someone is ripping people off for real say something but don't talk about IRS and stuff like that it is slander and unless you are on the inside and are deep throat and really know the facts don't throw numbers ou there attached to names and kill people in a public place and you don't even use your real name but you use theres.
Thats not fair talk in general terms but when you tallk IRS and connect peoples names to that that is some real world [***censored***] and you should be careful with that.
Thats just another angle take it for what its worth.
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#24765 - 10/13/11 10:43 AM
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Response to Post 24746: Do you always start reading a story on Page 10 and form an opinion by Page 11? But nonetheless I'll respond to the thoughts expressed by an obviously vacant mind: If I order and pay for a 335i in Black with the Premium Package and am delivered a 131i in Green with a Leatherette Interior, I'm not happy and rest assured I won't shut up or go away. (BTW I drove my 2000 BMW 325i for 6 years and 140K miles and it looked and felt like showroom quality when I traded it in.) When an organization makes money (as illustrated), and they deliver quality coaching that grooms and prepares the talent on their respective teams for the next level, delivers on the promised number of games and competitive league play, I'm going to support and promote that organization. If its a bait and switch, I've the right, and a venue (here) to bring that into the light of day. Its never been about the dollars and cents (although my Anonymous accounting friend did a great job), its about value (but you'd know that if you bothered to read the thread). I'm sorry if the light offends your sensitive eyes, but your narrow "angle" is indicative of a myopia. Perhaps you should put your head back in the sand...or wherever. If someone calls the IRS, the MLB, the BBB, or the CIA, its not my issue...you reap what you sow. Now I'm sure there is some soccer, hockey, lacrosse, or sewing circle forum out there that is interested in your views. Go there. Happy sailing! Chips Ahoy!
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#24785 - 10/13/11 08:00 PM
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Hey post#24764, look who is calling the kettle black, Mr. Anonymous! First, you post as Anonymous also. Second, you correct a typo, but seem to have several in your response.
I guess you spend a lot of money on attorneys, Chips was just making a statement about his experience that he had with the principle of the LI Sound. This is America, he has the right to be a critic, as long as he does not slander. These posts on this site and thread are performing a service, just like Consumer Reports and are providing reviews based upon real life experience. This site offers a valuable service to parents who are looking to perform their due-diligence.
Since when can you deduct your kid’s baseball fees from your taxes??? Can I write off my weekly bowling fees and bar bill? If Stagna informed parents that he would provide them with a donation letter when they paid their kid’s baseball fees, he needs to be investigated for possible fraud. So what you are threatening Mr. Chips with is a lawsuit, because he is alerting the readers of this site of possible fraudulent practices and a potential whistleblower to a possible federal crime????
Mr. Chips has a distinctive writing style that those of poor reading comprehension might define as "cute or talking in riddles." I define his technique of getting his message across as that of a highly skilled writer. His style offers a bit of levity to a sad situation as he is painting the picture for all to see.
I have been reading these posts and have come to possibly understand why you take offense to Mr. Chips. Is it because be said, Stagna offered the Moon and delivered Canarsie? I get it; your roots must be from Canarsie? Is that why you’re sore?
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#24808 - 10/14/11 07:39 PM
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Hey post#24764, look who is calling the kettle black, Mr. Anonymous! First, you post as Anonymous also. Second, you correct a typo, but seem to have several in your response.
I guess you spend a lot of money on attorneys, Chips was just making a statement about his experience that he had with the principle of the LI Sound. This is America, he has the right to be a critic, as long as he does not slander. These posts on this site and thread are performing a service, just like Consumer Reports and are providing reviews based upon real life experience. This site offers a valuable service to parents who are looking to perform their due-diligence.
Since when can you deduct your kid’s baseball fees from your taxes??? Can I write off my weekly bowling fees and bar bill? If Stagna informed parents that he would provide them with a donation letter when they paid their kid’s baseball fees, he needs to be investigated for possible fraud. So what you are threatening Mr. Chips with is a lawsuit, because he is alerting the readers of this site of possible fraudulent practices and a potential whistleblower to a possible federal crime????
Mr. Chips has a distinctive writing style that those of poor reading comprehension might define as "cute or talking in riddles." I define his technique of getting his message across as that of a highly skilled writer. His style offers a bit of levity to a sad situation as he is painting the picture for all to see.
I have been reading these posts and have come to possibly understand why you take offense to Mr. Chips. Is it because be said, Stagna offered the Moon and delivered Canarsie? I get it; your roots must be from Canarsie? Is that why you’re sore? I guess you don't spend a lot of money on attorneys. Slander involves the oral "publication" of a defamatory remark that is heard by another, which injures the subject's reputation or character. Slander can occur through the use of a hand gesture or verbal communication that is not recorded. Libel, on the other hand, is the written "publication" of a defamatory remark that has the tendency to injure another's reputation or character. Libel also includes a publication on radio, audio or video. Even though this would be considered oral, or verbal, communication to someone it is actually considered to be libel because it is published in a transfixed form.
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#24812 - 10/14/11 09:10 PM
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Now my anonymous friend, you have made a point! For the record, you are very correct in pointing out that this is a powerful venue and that's why I'm here. Check the stats, 6K views and over 100 posts to this thread, thats not an odd chance! Behind the scenes, I'll make sure business gets taken care of, but here in full public view, if I caused one parent to reconsider a decision to invest their dollars with this organization, I've done something good. It's a business, and I don't begrudge anyone a fair and honest living, but when you screw people, well you know what they say about payback. I've not posted a single lie or exaggeration. I am guilty of being dark and sarcastic, but you have to have an edge to draw out opinions and now you've expressed one that I can respect. I'd ask the same in return. May you sea be calm. Chips Ahoy!
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