If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate.

[quote=Anonymous]This particular play is an appeal play. if the runner beat the throw, he has aquired the base. The fielder was then have to ask for an appeal. [/quote

There can be no Appeal. The umpire used his judgement and called the runner safe.

Rule 9.02 (a) Any umpire's decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.

By Rule, a team is allowed to appeal a play if they think a runner missed a base. It has nothing to do with judgement.

The only judgement would be is if the umpire thought the runner touched the base or not. Which in that case, the umpire would call the runner safe on the appeal.

I do think what the question was if a runner beats the throw to first base, but missed the bag, can the fielder just run and tag him. the fielder would have to ask for an appeal and then tag the runner or the base.

If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? ANSWER - Yes, if the runner missed the bag, the umpire will call the runner out on a proper appeal from the defensive team.

And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate. Answer: The only difference I'd say here is that the umpire would not show a "safe signal" if he/she determines the runner missed home plate. However, a proper appeal must be made to retire the runner.

Appeal Plays

Here is another one to talk about.

A runner is on first with two out when the batter slugs a double, putting runners at second and third. Before the next pitch, the pitcher makes a quick pick-off throw to second, at which point the first baseman asks for the ball and appeals that the batter who doubled had missed first. The umpire knows the bag was missed. How should he rule? Answer

Rule 9.02 (b) If there is reasonable doubt that any umpire's decision may be in conflict with the rules, the manager may appeal the decision and ask that a correct ruling be made. Such appeal shall be made only to the umpire who made the protested decision.

The umpires decision in this case is clearly not in conflict with the rules. The player was called save (rightly or wrongly) What you can do is argue and argue and argue and argue but not Appeal. The umps decision of save (he made the call) stands.

Your totally overlooking the appeal rule, which was the question that was asked. Call one of your umpire friends and he/she would tell you want I'm telling you.

Your version is something totally different that an appeal play.

[quote=Anonymous]Appeal Plays

Here is another one to talk about.

A runner is on first with two out when the batter slugs a double, putting runners at second and third. Before the next pitch, the pitcher makes a quick pick-off throw to second, at which point the first baseman asks for the ball and appeals that the batter who doubled had missed first. The umpire knows the bag was missed. How should he rule? Answer

The rules specify that an appeal must be made before the next pitch or any play or attempted play. It is to late to appeal because the pick-off throw was a play.

I disagree. 99% of the calls made in baseball are based on the umpires judgement. In this case you can argue the call but you cannot appeal the call because there is no conflict with the rules.

If an umpire doesn't call an infield fly in a situation where you believe it should be called, you may tell him that it should have been called, but it's still a judgment call and can't be appealed. On the other hand, if the umpire calls infield fly and then the ball drops in foul territory and the umpire still states that the batter is out then this is the incorrect call in conflict with the rules and you can Appeal.

actually you can appeal what you do is PROTEST