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#6349 - 01/31/10 11:09 PM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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actually you can not appeal what you do is PROTEST
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#6350 - 02/01/10 06:14 AM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
actually you can not appeal what you do is PROTEST


You cannot APPEAL or PROTEST this call. RULE 4.19 No PROTEST shall ever be permitted on judgements decisions by the umpire. You again must prove a violation of the rules.

Rule 4.19 PROTESTING GAMES.
Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpire’s decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting team’s chances of winning the game.
Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.

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#6351 - 02/01/10 07:58 AM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
This particular play is an appeal play. if the runner beat the throw, he has aquired the base. The fielder was then have to ask for an appeal.

If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate.


"that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe"
why would the ump do that ?

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#6353 - 02/01/10 09:03 AM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
This particular play is an appeal play. if the runner beat the throw, he has aquired the base. The fielder was then have to ask for an appeal.

If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate.


"that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe"
why would the ump do that ?

Original post was

How about this play. I've seen it twice and called different ways. Batter hits ground ball to deep short. Runner clearly beats the throw but misses first base. No call from umpire, although the first baseman has ball in glove and foot on base. Runner walks back to base and umpire calls him safe.

Question is did the runner have possesion of first base even though he missed the bag? And does the fielder now have to TAG the runner to record the out?


The post does not say the umpire clearly saw the runner missed the base. Obviously the umpire did not see the runner missed the base (JUDGEMENT).

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#6354 - 02/01/10 01:05 PM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
This particular play is an appeal play. if the runner beat the throw, he has aquired the base. The fielder was then have to ask for an appeal.

If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate.


"that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe"
why would the ump do that ?

Original post was

How about this play. I've seen it twice and called different ways. Batter hits ground ball to deep short. Runner clearly beats the throw but misses first base. No call from umpire, although the first baseman has ball in glove and foot on base. Runner walks back to base and umpire calls him safe.

Question is did the runner have possesion of first base even though he missed the bag? And does the fielder now have to TAG the runner to record the out?


The post does not say the umpire clearly saw the runner missed the base. Obviously the umpire did not see the runner missed the base (JUDGEMENT).

This seems to be getting very confusing. I know what the orig
post said, but my point was that if the ump calls him safe,then the ump thought he touched the base (In error, but still his call). If the ump saw him miss the bag, he will call him out because he missed the bag. There is no appeal here. Now I have seen some Little League games where the loudest screamer can make the ump change his mind, when the ump was not sure of what he saw. Human error cannot be factored in to this equation.
The orig post said he saw it called two ways, one was just wrong.

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#6357 - 02/01/10 03:44 PM Re: obstruction during a popup [Re: Anonymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
 Originally Posted By: Anonymous
This particular play is an appeal play. if the runner beat the throw, he has aquired the base. The fielder was then have to ask for an appeal.

If that is true, than ,If I understand you correctly, that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe and then will change his call if the defense noticed the runner missed the bag ? And if that is the case would the result be any different if this play was at the plate.


"that the ump saw the runner miss the bag, then called him safe"
why would the ump do that ?

Original post was

How about this play. I've seen it twice and called different ways. Batter hits ground ball to deep short. Runner clearly beats the throw but misses first base. No call from umpire, although the first baseman has ball in glove and foot on base. Runner walks back to base and umpire calls him safe.

Question is did the runner have possesion of first base even though he missed the bag? And does the fielder now have to TAG the runner to record the out?


The post does not say the umpire clearly saw the runner missed the base. Obviously the umpire did not see the runner missed the base (JUDGEMENT).

This seems to be getting very confusing. I know what the orig
post said, but my point was that if the ump calls him safe,then the ump thought he touched the base (In error, but still his call). If the ump saw him miss the bag, he will call him out because he missed the bag. There is no appeal here. Now I have seen some Little League games where the loudest screamer can make the ump change his mind, when the ump was not sure of what he saw. Human error cannot be factored in to this equation.
The orig post said he saw it called two ways, one was just wrong.
Actally both calls could have been wrong or both calls could have been right or the call that you thought was wrong could have been right or the call that was right could have been wrong. The point is the umpire made judgement calls in each instance and unless a violation of the rules can be articulated by the coaches who believe the call was wrong it is history, the call stands.

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